Why do the Ron Paul Denialists keep bringing up the polls?
Are they historically ignorant? In early 1975, Carter was polling at 1% (he went on to win the Presidency). In early 1987, Dukakis was polling at 1% (he went on to win the Democratic nomination). In early 1991, Clinton was at 2% (he went on to win the Presidency). In the spring of 1999, John McCain was polling at 3% (he went on to win the NH primary). In early 2003, Joe Lieberman was leading the field for the Democratic presidential nomination (he failed to win any primary). With history like that, why do Ron Paul Denialists like to refer to irrelevant polls? Is it because the polls are the only thing that gives them the illusion of being even half right? Why do these Denialists even bother with easy to break arguments and absurd claims that Ron Paul isn't a frontrunner? Paid by Ron Paul? I don't think so. He's only spent about $600,000 thus far and that definitely isn't enough to afford staffers to promote him on the Internet. If anybody is paid, its the people who are against Ron Paul or for other candidates. John McCain, for example, is spending like a drunken sailor. Some of the Denialists really make me laugh. How exactly would be a bad thing to dump the Federal Reserve. You have to be ignorant of Economics (real economics, not government accounting psuedoeconomics) to even believe that BS. Its also crazy to suggest that Clinton, Carter, Dukakis and the like had any name recognition. They were obscure before they were nominated. Its also crazy to suggest Ron Paul can't get nominated because of his views. The GOP does claim to be for limited government and personal responsibility, something only Ron Paul believes in among presidential candidates.
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- I think right now, with 10 Republican candidates in the open and with McCain, Giuliani, and Romney being the ones the most focused on in the press, people are just tending to forget about the other candidates. I'm not a Republican, but I did hear an interview with Ron Paul through BBC radio and I was a bit impressed by it, actually. Compared to the other Republicans, he actually looks pretty good to me.
- Why are people who are paid by Ron Paul on here always asking non-issue questions about a nut job???
- Polls matter less than ever. I took a class on "scientific" political polling, the entire scheme is flawed. "Scientific" polls only ask questions of people who have publicly published land phone lines. Who the heck has a land line these days? There's a huge disconnect as more people move toward cellular phones and VOIP.
- Many of Ron Paul's online "supporters" are not American citizens and cannot vote. To have a large online base but few of them eligible to vote and even less of them sending money will not help his cause. Plus only Denis Kucinich is a bigger geek and at 72 years old he is a shaky candidate at best.
- Thanks for the statistics. I think it's pure laziness. Instead of researching the candidates and comparing them on issues, they watch the news media and let the 'biased' media literally do their thinking for them. If a poll was taken of every American property owner, how many would like to have their property taxes stop being raised annually, or very possibly eliminated altogether? I would guess close to 100%. However, when Ron Paul suggests he would like to do away with taxation in the USA, how many people can visualize no more property tax? Property taxes didn't start till about the 1860's, and it was such a 'hot' debate-able item that it was left up to each state to tax or not to tax property. However in my opinion, & I believe Ron Pauls opinion it is un-constitutional to tax people for owning property. Thank you. ************************************************************ [edit] Mr Hutch, your a prime example of opening up your mouth without even reading about the facts. Ron Paul has written 5 or more books on economics, is on the congressional finance committee, and has studied Austrian economics. The Federal Reserve was created in 1913. Before 1913 the US Treasury was the issuer of American dollars backed by GOLD! The U.S. had little inflation {rise in prices} for way over 100 years on the Gold standard, and as anyone can plainly see prices are currently going up on everything, as a direct result of the FED pumping to many dollars into the economy! Ron Paul wants the U.S. Treasury to go back on the Constitutionally mandated Gold system, and be the issuer of American dollars again. ********************************************************
- Many of Ron Paul's ideas are good... except that he is an economic nut job. He is a doctor of medicine, not economics. If he carried out his plans to rid the nation of its central bank without a viable substitute, he would destroy international confidence in the US dollar. Do we really want an economic moron in the White House? I agree that eliminating the Federal Reserve could be a good thing in theory if you believe that free markets are efficient. But history has shown that free markets are not always efficient (ie Great Depression, 1987 S&L crash, etc.). Besides that, the transition period involves too much risk in a GLOBAL economy, something that the framers did not even dream of. The Euro is gaining ground on the US Dollar as a dominant international currency. Transition from managed i-rates via Fed Reserve to a market driven i-rate posses unnessisary risks.
- Carter and Clinton had name recognition and plenty of money to support their campaigns. Ron Paul has neither. Also The others you mention are not loony, wacky, off the wall libertarians. Get over Ron Paul he has the chance of an ice cube in the Sahara of getting nominated (except by Libertarian party) let alone elected.
- Ron Paul supporters are the most active and its a threat to the establishment, a true American hero, he's huge no matter what anyone says, sleep sheep sleep. they don't use the polls when Ron paul comes in first, like all the internet polls.
- Because they can't stand the fact that nobody on Fox news can make him look crazy. So they have to try as hard as they can to deny that he is quickly becoming a front runner in this election. The media tried to ignore him, but they simply can't anymore. He has raised more money than McCain....the man people were saying was going to be the next president a few years ago.
- I think we should write in Ron Paul's name if he is not on the ballot, instead of Guiliani, who agree's
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